Snyder Family 2016 - Person Sheet
NameWilliam De Braose , Baron de Baiose 
Birthabt 1144, Bramber, Sussexshire, England
Death9 Aug 1211, Corbeil, near Paris, France
FatherWilliam De Braose (~1112->1179)
MotherBertha Of Hereford
Notes for William De Braose , Baron de Baiose
William de BRAOSE, Lord Brecknock 5th Baron de BRAIOSE
Notes:
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (63A:28), (70:29), (98:28), (177:6), (177A:6).
Lord of Briouze in Normandy; Lord of Bramber, Sussex, England; Lord of over Gwent. As a consequence of his well-known quarrel with KING JOHN (RIN 785) his lands were forfeited in 1208 and his wife, MAUD, and first son starved to death in the dungeons of Corfe or Windsor in 1210.
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage", (Abergavenny, p.22).
Cockayne's "Complete Peerage" (Ralph de Toeni VI) identifies him as MARGARET's father.
Paul Mackenzie posted to soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Feb 1997:
Subject: Re: The Beauchamps (was Re: Maud de Braose): D.G. Elwes published a number of papers on the Braoses in which he discusses the main members of the family together with the doubtful members. . . He does mention another connection between the de Braose and Beauchamps. "William (de Braose d1212) is stated to have been taken prisoner by King John in France with Prince Arthur 1202-03 and that although he was released from confinement the king appears ever after to have regarded him with an eye of suspicion and jealousy. Moreover, I think a not unlikely cause of King John quarrelling with William (de Braose) may befound in Inq. p.m. 26 Edw 111, 2nd Nos 66, which quotes a trial taking place before the Justices of Common Pleas in Easter, 6 Edw 1 (1278) between William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, Plaintiff and William de Breuse, Defendent concerning the descent of the Castle of Sweynsey and the land of Gower. William de Breuse states that the land ofGower was granted to his ancestor William de Breuse by King John by charter in the fourth year of his reign 1203 and that therefore he cannot answer without the king. The Earl, in answer, says that he can answer as to the
castle of Sweynsey, which he claims is not mentioned in the charter; the Earl also says that the said Charter was made in Normandy in the time of the war between the king of France and King John, on account of William threatening to depart from him and return to England, the king being terrified by said war; and that seisin of the land of Gower was never delivered to William. Now this must have been before the murder of Prince Arthur (by John)....and possibly William de Braose was...bribed to silence (by) grant of the lands of Gower"
1. Matilda de BRAOSE*
2. William de BRAOSE
3. Margaret de BRAOSE
4. Reginald de BRAOSE
5. Eleanor de BRAOSE*
6. Lorette de BRAOSE*
another set of notes:
At his peak Lord of Bramber, Gower, Abergavenny, Brecknock, Builth, Radnor, Kington, Limerick and the three castles of Skenfrith, Grosmont (right) and Whitecastle.
William inherited Bramber, Builth and Radnor from his father; Brecknock and Abergavenny through his mother. He was the strongest of the Marcher Lords involved in constant war with the Welsh and other lords. He was particularly hated by the Welsh for the massacre of three Welsh princes, their families and their men which took place during a feast at his castle of Abergavenny in 1175. He was sometimes known as the "Ogre of Abergavenny". One of the Normans' foremost warriors, he fought alongside K.Richard at Chalus in 1199 (when Richard received his fatal wound).
William received Limerick in 1201 from K. John. He was also given custody of Glamorgan, Monmouth and Gwynllwg in return for large payments.
William captured Arthur, Count of Brittany at Mirebeau in 1202 and was in charge of his imprisonment for King John. He was well rewarded in February 1203 with the grant of Gower. He may have had knowledge of the murder of Arthur and been bribed to silence by John with the city of Limerick in July. His honours reached their peak when he was made Sheriff of Herefordshire by John for 1206-7. He had held this office under Richard from 1192 to 1199.
His fall began almost immediately. William was stripped of his office as bailiff of Glamorgan and other custodies by K. John in 1206/7. Later he was deprived of all his lands and, sought by K.John in Ireland, he returned to Wales and joined the Welsh Prince Llewelyn in rebellion. He fled to France in 1210 via Shoreham "in the habit of a beggar" and died in exile near Paris. Despite intending to be interred at St. John's, Brecon, he was buried in the Abbey of St. Victoire, Paris by Stephen Langton, the Archbishop of Canterbury, another of John's chief opponents who was also taking refuge there. His wife and son William were murdered by John, possibly starved to death at Windsor Castle.
Notes:
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (63A:28), (70:29), (98:28), (177:6), (177A:6).
Lord of Briouze in Normandy; Lord of Bramber, Sussex, England; Lord of over Gwent. As a consequence of his well-known quarrel with KING JOHN (RIN 785) his lands were forfeited in 1208 and his wife, MAUD, and first son starved to death in the dungeons of Corfe or Windsor in 1210.
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage", (Abergavenny, p.22).
Cockayne's "Complete Peerage" (Ralph de Toeni VI) identifies him as MARGARET's father.
Paul Mackenzie posted to soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Feb 1997:
Subject: Re: The Beauchamps (was Re: Maud de Braose): D.G. Elwes published a number of papers on the Braoses in which he discusses the main members of the family together with the doubtful members. . . He does mention another connection between the de Braose and Beauchamps. "William (de Braose d1212) is stated to have been taken prisoner by King John in France with Prince Arthur 1202-03 and that although he was released from confinement the king appears ever after to have regarded him with an eye of suspicion and jealousy. Moreover, I think a not unlikely cause of King John quarrelling with William (de Braose) may befound in Inq. p.m. 26 Edw 111, 2nd Nos 66, which quotes a trial taking place before the Justices of Common Pleas in Easter, 6 Edw 1 (1278) between William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, Plaintiff and William de Breuse, Defendent concerning the descent of the Castle of Sweynsey and the land of Gower. William de Breuse states that the land ofGower was granted to his ancestor William de Breuse by King John by charter in the fourth year of his reign 1203 and that therefore he cannot answer without the king. The Earl, in answer, says that he can answer as to the
castle of Sweynsey, which he claims is not mentioned in the charter; the Earl also says that the said Charter was made in Normandy in the time of the war between the king of France and King John, on account of William threatening to depart from him and return to England, the king being terrified by said war; and that seisin of the land of Gower was never delivered to William. Now this must have been before the murder of Prince Arthur (by John)....and possibly William de Braose was...bribed to silence (by) grant of the lands of Gower"
1. Matilda de BRAOSE*
2. William de BRAOSE
3. Margaret de BRAOSE
4. Reginald de BRAOSE
5. Eleanor de BRAOSE*
6. Lorette de BRAOSE*
another set of notes:
At his peak Lord of Bramber, Gower, Abergavenny, Brecknock, Builth, Radnor, Kington, Limerick and the three castles of Skenfrith, Grosmont (right) and Whitecastle.
William inherited Bramber, Builth and Radnor from his father; Brecknock and Abergavenny through his mother. He was the strongest of the Marcher Lords involved in constant war with the Welsh and other lords. He was particularly hated by the Welsh for the massacre of three Welsh princes, their families and their men which took place during a feast at his castle of Abergavenny in 1175. He was sometimes known as the "Ogre of Abergavenny". One of the Normans' foremost warriors, he fought alongside K.Richard at Chalus in 1199 (when Richard received his fatal wound).
William received Limerick in 1201 from K. John. He was also given custody of Glamorgan, Monmouth and Gwynllwg in return for large payments.
William captured Arthur, Count of Brittany at Mirebeau in 1202 and was in charge of his imprisonment for King John. He was well rewarded in February 1203 with the grant of Gower. He may have had knowledge of the murder of Arthur and been bribed to silence by John with the city of Limerick in July. His honours reached their peak when he was made Sheriff of Herefordshire by John for 1206-7. He had held this office under Richard from 1192 to 1199.
His fall began almost immediately. William was stripped of his office as bailiff of Glamorgan and other custodies by K. John in 1206/7. Later he was deprived of all his lands and, sought by K.John in Ireland, he returned to Wales and joined the Welsh Prince Llewelyn in rebellion. He fled to France in 1210 via Shoreham "in the habit of a beggar" and died in exile near Paris. Despite intending to be interred at St. John's, Brecon, he was buried in the Abbey of St. Victoire, Paris by Stephen Langton, the Archbishop of Canterbury, another of John's chief opponents who was also taking refuge there. His wife and son William were murdered by John, possibly starved to death at Windsor Castle.
Notes for Matilda (Maud) de St. (Spouse 1)
Maud de St. Valerie (Lady of La Haie) (aka: Matilda of Hay)
died in Windsor Castle
Notes:
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (63A:28), (70:29), (177:6), (177A:6). Her parents are not identified.
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage", (Abergavenny, p.22).
Somewhere, I saw her father identified as Reginald de St. Valerie, b. abt. 1129, but the source has been lost. In a posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 25 JUL 1998, Leo Van de Pas identified her parents as BERNARD DE ST. VALERIE and his 1st wife, MAUD. No sources cited.
It is widely suspected that KING JOHN of England, murdered his nephew Arthur, Count of Brittany, in order to prevent any thought of Arthur's coming to the throne of England in place of John. WILLIAM DE BRAOSE had for sometime previously been in charge of Arthur's imprisonment, but when he believed that JOHN meant the boy no good, he refused to remain responsible for the boy's welfare. Arthur mysteriously disappeared while under JOHN's control in Rouen. The author of the Annales Margam states that Arthur's body was recovered from the Seine and given decent burial near Bec. Later, an occasion arose where JOHN required that WILLIAM DE BRAOSE and his wife Maud give their sons to him as hostages - to ensure WILLIAM DE BRAOSE's good behavior. Maude refused, stating or insinuating that she would not give her children into the hands of a man who had murdered his own nephew. JOHN made her pay heavily for this remark. He imprisoned her and her son, William, in Windsor Castle, where they were starved to death.
1. Matilda de BRAOSE*
2. William de BRAOSE
3. Margaret de BRAOSE
4. Reginald de BRAOSE
5. Eleanor de BRAOSE*
6. Lorette de BRAOSE*
another list of children:
Child 1: Maud (Susan) = Gruffyd ap Rhys
Child 2: William de Braose
Child 3: Giles, Bishop of Hereford
Child 4: Loretta = Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester
Child 5: Annora = Hugh de Mortimer
Child 6: Reginald de Braose
Child 7: Margaret = Walter de Lacy
Child 8: John = Amabil de Limesi
died in Windsor Castle
Notes:
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (63A:28), (70:29), (177:6), (177A:6). Her parents are not identified.
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage", (Abergavenny, p.22).
Somewhere, I saw her father identified as Reginald de St. Valerie, b. abt. 1129, but the source has been lost. In a posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 25 JUL 1998, Leo Van de Pas identified her parents as BERNARD DE ST. VALERIE and his 1st wife, MAUD. No sources cited.
It is widely suspected that KING JOHN of England, murdered his nephew Arthur, Count of Brittany, in order to prevent any thought of Arthur's coming to the throne of England in place of John. WILLIAM DE BRAOSE had for sometime previously been in charge of Arthur's imprisonment, but when he believed that JOHN meant the boy no good, he refused to remain responsible for the boy's welfare. Arthur mysteriously disappeared while under JOHN's control in Rouen. The author of the Annales Margam states that Arthur's body was recovered from the Seine and given decent burial near Bec. Later, an occasion arose where JOHN required that WILLIAM DE BRAOSE and his wife Maud give their sons to him as hostages - to ensure WILLIAM DE BRAOSE's good behavior. Maude refused, stating or insinuating that she would not give her children into the hands of a man who had murdered his own nephew. JOHN made her pay heavily for this remark. He imprisoned her and her son, William, in Windsor Castle, where they were starved to death.
1. Matilda de BRAOSE*
2. William de BRAOSE
3. Margaret de BRAOSE
4. Reginald de BRAOSE
5. Eleanor de BRAOSE*
6. Lorette de BRAOSE*
another list of children:
Child 1: Maud (Susan) = Gruffyd ap Rhys
Child 2: William de Braose
Child 3: Giles, Bishop of Hereford
Child 4: Loretta = Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester
Child 5: Annora = Hugh de Mortimer
Child 6: Reginald de Braose
Child 7: Margaret = Walter de Lacy
Child 8: John = Amabil de Limesi