Otto "The Illustrious" (D of Saxony)

* Birth: 836 ??
* Death: 30 NOV 912
Family 1: Hedwig

1. Henry_I "The_Fowler"
2. Barbe* of_Saxony
3. Uda of_Saxony

Notes
Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (141:17), "Charlemagne and His World"
(Heer), shows OTTO's wife as dau. (illeg.) of Arnulf, King of Germany,
Emp. (RIN 1443), & Oda of Bavria. . . however, Brandenburg shows no
such dau. for Arnulf. Isenburg shows Hedwig as dau. of Heinrich, d.886,
Markgraf of the Netherlands. Saillot says OTTO's wife was Hedwig, dau.
of Henri, Compte de la Marche. Moriarity says Hedwig d. 24 Dec 903,
does not identify parents.

William Addams Reitwiesner posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 3 Apr 1997:
Subject: Re: Henry the Fowler's mother
"Is there any concensus on the ascent of Hedwige wife of Otto?
No. Actually, Stuart, for once, provides a reasonable review of the
situation (although when it comes to showing the descent, he selects the
same old bull). There seems to be a general concensus that the name
Henry was brought to the family through Hedwige, but beyond that
nothing. What can be rejected is the claim that she was daughter of
Arnulf of Germany. This, unfortunately, was revived by Sheppard in
Ancestral Roots (6th and 7th) crediting Stimmel, but of the sources he
cites, Moriarty, Brandenburg, Winkhaus and Isenburg (the ones I have
available) say nothing of the sort. Stuart himself states that one of
the remaining does not contain the descent, while the sole remaining
source, Saillot, cannot stand above the others, even if it does have the
descent (which I somehow doubt).
What is in ES?
The Schwennicke edition of ES, Band I, Tafel 3, says, about Heinrich's
parents:
Otto, HERZOG VON SACHSEN (880), GRAF IN SUED-THUERINGEN (874),
+30.XI.912; oo 869 Hathui, +(906).
Nothing more."

Matman posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 9 Apr 1997:
Subject: Re: Henry the Fowler's mother
"There is quite a lot of german research into this. The current
consensus (as summarised by E.Hlawitschka, in Rheinische
Vierteljarhrblatter, 1974, p141ff) is that she was a daughter of
Margrave Henry who died at Paris against the Normans 28.8.886 (he also
often appears with other titles: Duke of the Austrasians, is one of them).
Her mother was (according to the same author) probably a granddaughter
of St.Ida (d.c.820) and the Saxon Count Egbert (flor. 809-11)."

Keats-Rohan, in the article "Poppa of Bayeux and her family" (TAG lxxii,
Jul/Oct 1997, 187-204), identifies Hedwig's mother as Ingeltrude (RIN
9406*), daughter of EBERHARD, MARQUIS OF FRIULI, however. . .

abwilson@@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Alan B. Wilson) posted to
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@@rootsweb.com on 21 Jul 1999
Subject: Re: Henry the Fowler's mother.
. "As far as I am presently aware, no reliable argument from
contemporary sources exists to support the Friuli descent. The
exhaustive and meticulous account of Charlemagne's descendants by K.F.
Werner in the fourth volume of *Karl der Grosse: Lebenswerk und
Nachleben* accepts contemporary evidence for the marriage of only one
of the daughters of Louis the Pious' daughter Gisla (819X822-874) by
Eberhard of Friuli: Heilwic (d. 895), who married first a Count Hucbald
(d. 890) and then Roger, count at Laon (d. 926). The Ingeltrude who is
named below as dying "after 840" was, according to Werner, born in 837
and died in 870, and he indicates no marriage for her nor for the
other two daughters, Gisla (died a nun in 863) and Jutta (also died 863)."

KHF333@@aol.com posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@@rootsweb.com
on 22 Jul 1999
Subject: Re: Henry the Fowler's mother.
. ". . . I have found nothing in the Keats-Rohan article that actually
proves anything about this alleged descent. She is primarily engaged
in the collection of a database of prosopography - with the eventual
intent of documenting all names and sources from earlier records. Now
this can indeed be confusing when one takes all this conflicting
information and attempts to form conclusions from it. Her views on
this, to my mind, is a classic case of not seeing the forest for the trees."