Snyder Family 2016 - Person Sheet
NameRoger de Quincy 2nd Earl of Winchester 
Birthabt 1174, Winchester, Hampshire, England
Death25 Apr 1264, England
FatherSaire IV de Quincey 1st Earl of Winchester (<1154-1219)
MotherMargaret De Beaumont (-1234)
Spouses
Birthabt 1208, Carrick, Ayrshire, Scotland
Deathaft 21 Nov 1245, Brackley, Northamptonshire, England
BurialBrackley, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
FatherAlan Of Galloway , Constable of Scotland (~1186-1234)
MotherHelen De L'isle (1174-~1212)
Marriageabt 1217
ChildrenHelen (Ellen) (~1222-)
Notes for Roger de Quincy 2nd Earl of Winchester
Notes:
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . . " (38:27), (53:28), (57:28), (189:4), (224:28), (236:8).
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Berkeley, p.128), identifies him as the father of MARGARET.
Dictionary of National Biography_, vol. 16, p. 558: "Roger de Quincy, second earl of Winchester (1195?-1264), the second son of SAER DE QUINCY, was, with his father, excommunicated by Innocent III in 1215. He probably joined his father in his crusade, and his eldest brother ROBERT being dead, he did homage, and received livery of his father's lands in February 1221; the time that had elapsed since his father's death suggests his absence from England. He did not, however, succeed to the earldom until his mother's death (19 Feb. 1235). Meanwhile, in 1222, he served in the king's [HENRY III] army in Poitou. Having married HELEN, eldest daughter and coheiress of ALAN LORD OF
GALLOWAY, who died in 1234, he divided AlLAN's lands with the husbands of his wife's sisters, John de Baliol and William, afterwards earl of Albemarle (d. 1260). The rights of ALAN's daughters were disputed by Thomas, ALAN's natural son, and the Gallwegians, preferring one lord to three, requested their king, Alexander II, either to take the inheritance himself or grant it to Thomas. On his refusal they rebelled, and were defeated by Alexander, who established the three lords in their portions of ALAN's domains, Roger being constable of Scotland in right of his wife. . . . He served with THE KING in Guienne in 1242, and was one of the nobles who in that year obtained leave from HENRY to return to England. . . .
On the death of his sister-in-law, the Countess of Albemarle, without issue in 1246, a further part of Galloway fell to him in right of his wife. He ruled the chiefs with excessive strictness; they rose against him suddenly, and in 1247 besieged him in one of his castles. Preferring to risk death by the sword to the certainty of death by famine, he armed himself fully, mounted his charger, caused the gates of the castle to be thrown open, and attended by a few followers, cut his way through the besiegers, and rode for his life until he reached the Scottish king's court. Alexander took up his cause, punished the
rebels, and reestablished him in his domains. "Earl Roger attended the parliament held in London on 9 Feb. 1248, at which HENRY III was reproved for his misgovernment, and also the parliament of 1254, at which the prelates and magnates expressed their distrust of THE KING. In July 1257 THE KING appointed him a joint commissioner for composing the disputes between the young king of Scotland, Alexander III, and certain of his nobles, or, in other words, between Alan Durward, the head of the party that upheld the English influence, and the Comyns. In the parliament of Oxford of 1258 he was one of the 12 elected by the community to attend the three annual parliaments and exercise the rights of parliament.
1. +Margaret DE QUINCY
2. +Elena ("helen") DE QUINCY
3. +Elizabeth DE QUINCY
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Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester (1195? – 25 April 1264[1][2]) was a medieval nobleman who was prominent on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border, as Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland.
He was the second son of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and Margaret de Beaumont.
He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235.
Roger married Helen of Galloway (b.c1208), eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol).
The Galwegians rebelled under Gille Ruadh, not wanting their land divided, but the rebellion was suppressed by Alexander II of Scotland. Roger ruled his portion of Galloway strictly, and the Galwegians revolted again in 1247, forcing Roger to take refuge in a castle. Faced with a siege and little chance of relief, Roger and a few men fought their way out and rode off to seek help from Alexander, who raised forces to again suppress the rebellion.
In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s.
Following Ellen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor de Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year.
Roger had three daughters by his first wife, but no sons. His subsequent marriages produced no issue. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed. The three daughters of Roger and Helen of Galloway were:
1. Ellen, who married Alan la Zouche, Lord Zouche of Ashby;
2. Elizabeth (also known as Isabel), who married Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan;
3. Margaret (or Margery), who married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (and was thus stepmother to her own stepmother).
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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . . " (38:27), (53:28), (57:28), (189:4), (224:28), (236:8).
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Berkeley, p.128), identifies him as the father of MARGARET.
Dictionary of National Biography_, vol. 16, p. 558: "Roger de Quincy, second earl of Winchester (1195?-1264), the second son of SAER DE QUINCY, was, with his father, excommunicated by Innocent III in 1215. He probably joined his father in his crusade, and his eldest brother ROBERT being dead, he did homage, and received livery of his father's lands in February 1221; the time that had elapsed since his father's death suggests his absence from England. He did not, however, succeed to the earldom until his mother's death (19 Feb. 1235). Meanwhile, in 1222, he served in the king's [HENRY III] army in Poitou. Having married HELEN, eldest daughter and coheiress of ALAN LORD OF
GALLOWAY, who died in 1234, he divided AlLAN's lands with the husbands of his wife's sisters, John de Baliol and William, afterwards earl of Albemarle (d. 1260). The rights of ALAN's daughters were disputed by Thomas, ALAN's natural son, and the Gallwegians, preferring one lord to three, requested their king, Alexander II, either to take the inheritance himself or grant it to Thomas. On his refusal they rebelled, and were defeated by Alexander, who established the three lords in their portions of ALAN's domains, Roger being constable of Scotland in right of his wife. . . . He served with THE KING in Guienne in 1242, and was one of the nobles who in that year obtained leave from HENRY to return to England. . . .
On the death of his sister-in-law, the Countess of Albemarle, without issue in 1246, a further part of Galloway fell to him in right of his wife. He ruled the chiefs with excessive strictness; they rose against him suddenly, and in 1247 besieged him in one of his castles. Preferring to risk death by the sword to the certainty of death by famine, he armed himself fully, mounted his charger, caused the gates of the castle to be thrown open, and attended by a few followers, cut his way through the besiegers, and rode for his life until he reached the Scottish king's court. Alexander took up his cause, punished the
rebels, and reestablished him in his domains. "Earl Roger attended the parliament held in London on 9 Feb. 1248, at which HENRY III was reproved for his misgovernment, and also the parliament of 1254, at which the prelates and magnates expressed their distrust of THE KING. In July 1257 THE KING appointed him a joint commissioner for composing the disputes between the young king of Scotland, Alexander III, and certain of his nobles, or, in other words, between Alan Durward, the head of the party that upheld the English influence, and the Comyns. In the parliament of Oxford of 1258 he was one of the 12 elected by the community to attend the three annual parliaments and exercise the rights of parliament.
1. +Margaret DE QUINCY
2. +Elena ("helen") DE QUINCY
3. +Elizabeth DE QUINCY
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Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester (1195? – 25 April 1264[1][2]) was a medieval nobleman who was prominent on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border, as Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland.
He was the second son of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and Margaret de Beaumont.
He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235.
Roger married Helen of Galloway (b.c1208), eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol).
The Galwegians rebelled under Gille Ruadh, not wanting their land divided, but the rebellion was suppressed by Alexander II of Scotland. Roger ruled his portion of Galloway strictly, and the Galwegians revolted again in 1247, forcing Roger to take refuge in a castle. Faced with a siege and little chance of relief, Roger and a few men fought their way out and rode off to seek help from Alexander, who raised forces to again suppress the rebellion.
In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s.
Following Ellen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor de Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year.
Roger had three daughters by his first wife, but no sons. His subsequent marriages produced no issue. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed. The three daughters of Roger and Helen of Galloway were:
1. Ellen, who married Alan la Zouche, Lord Zouche of Ashby;
2. Elizabeth (also known as Isabel), who married Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan;
3. Margaret (or Margery), who married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (and was thus stepmother to her own stepmother).
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Notes for Helen (Elena) (Spouse 1)
aka: Lady Elena of GALLOWAY
1. Margaret de QUINCY
2. Elena de QUINCY
died before 1250
Notes:
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . . " (38:27), (53:28), (57:28), (224:28).
Helen was Alan's eldest daughter; she was not the daughter of Margaret of Huntingdon, whose children were Devorguilla and Christian.
Note 2:
Eldest daughter, she carried the DeMoreville estates to Roger in their marriage. Her sister Devorguilla, Lady of Potheringhay, m. to John Baliol of Barnard Castle, Regent of Scotland and Lord of Teesdah, who died in 1269 (he is gggrandson of Guy Baliol, Lord of the Forest of Teesdah, per Collins, "Royal Ancestors...," p. 31).
1. Margaret de QUINCY
2. Elena de QUINCY
died before 1250
Notes:
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . . " (38:27), (53:28), (57:28), (224:28).
Helen was Alan's eldest daughter; she was not the daughter of Margaret of Huntingdon, whose children were Devorguilla and Christian.
Note 2:
Eldest daughter, she carried the DeMoreville estates to Roger in their marriage. Her sister Devorguilla, Lady of Potheringhay, m. to John Baliol of Barnard Castle, Regent of Scotland and Lord of Teesdah, who died in 1269 (he is gggrandson of Guy Baliol, Lord of the Forest of Teesdah, per Collins, "Royal Ancestors...," p. 31).