Snyder Family 2016 - Person Sheet
NameOrengarde 
Spouses
Birthabt 1164, La Marche, Poictou, France
Death1 May 1219, Shenton, Leicestershire, England
FatherHugh VIII (Seigneur) de Lusignan (~1106-~1172)
MotherBurgogne De Taillebourg (~1110-)
ChildrenRacul “Raoul”
Notes for Orengarde
1. Hugh_IX LUSIGNAN
2. Raoul de LUSIGNAN
Notes for Hugh IX (Spouse 1)
Notes:
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (123:28).
Cockayne's "Complete Peerage" (EU, p.160) is where this Hugh would be mentioned, but he is not, Cokayne being ignorant as to his existence and having HUGH VIII as the father of HUGH IX.
"William A. Reitwiesner" posted to the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on 13 Jun 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: De LUSIGNAN/d'EU From Europaische Stammtafeln, iii, 816:
8. Hugh VIII de LUSIGNAN (Circa 1118 - 1172) & Bourgogne de Rancon (Circa 1120 - After 11 Apr 1169)
9. Hugh de LUSIGNAN ( - 1169) & Orengarde
10. Hugh IX de LUSIGNAN ( - 1219) & Agatha de PREUILLY
11. Hugh X de LUSIGNAN & Isabelle d'ANGOULEME
"Todd A. Farmerie" posted to the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on14 Jun 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: De LUSIGNAN/d'EU
>Is Hugh VIII the grandfather of Hugh X who married (in 1220) Isabella >of Angouleme?
No. Painter discovered many years ago that there had been a Hugh left out of the nomenclature, hence:
8. Hugh VIII m. Bourgogne de Rancon
9. Hugh (VIII1/2) (He was at least effective ruler when Hugh VIII was on
crusade, and he died after Hugh VIII was last recorded alive on Crusade,
and the first record we have of VIII's having died, so it is not known if a.Hugh VIII1/2 accually survived his father to become Count, if only for a few weeks, or b.whether he knew it if he did.
10. Hugh IX m. Matilda of Angouleme and La Marche
11. Hugh X m. Isabelle of Angouleme
Painter argues that Ralph, called brother of Hugh IX, was son of the missing Hugh, and not of Hugh VIII, while Guy and Geoffrey, called sometimes uncles, sometimes brothers of Hugh IX were sons of Hugh VIII, and brothers of Hugh VIII1/2. Based on some chronological factors regarding the marriages of Ralph and Hugh IX, he concludes that Hugh X was son of an earlier marriage of Hugh IX, prior to his marriage to Matilda. I have not seen anyone else address these theses, so I never
know if a line like that in ES, above, for Ralph or one showing Matilda as mother of Hugh X is indicative of rejecting Painter, or ignorance of his work. (I personally think that the circumstances surrounding the marriages of Isabelle of Angouleme are so well documented, that a dispensation before her second marriage (to the son of her first cousin Matilda) would have been mentioned by contemporaries.)
1. Hugh_IX LUSIGNAN
2. Raoul de LUSIGNAN
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (123:28).
Cockayne's "Complete Peerage" (EU, p.160) is where this Hugh would be mentioned, but he is not, Cokayne being ignorant as to his existence and having HUGH VIII as the father of HUGH IX.
"William A. Reitwiesner" posted to the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on 13 Jun 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: De LUSIGNAN/d'EU From Europaische Stammtafeln, iii, 816:
8. Hugh VIII de LUSIGNAN (Circa 1118 - 1172) & Bourgogne de Rancon (Circa 1120 - After 11 Apr 1169)
9. Hugh de LUSIGNAN ( - 1169) & Orengarde
10. Hugh IX de LUSIGNAN ( - 1219) & Agatha de PREUILLY
11. Hugh X de LUSIGNAN & Isabelle d'ANGOULEME
"Todd A. Farmerie" posted to the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on14 Jun 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: De LUSIGNAN/d'EU
>Is Hugh VIII the grandfather of Hugh X who married (in 1220) Isabella >of Angouleme?
No. Painter discovered many years ago that there had been a Hugh left out of the nomenclature, hence:
8. Hugh VIII m. Bourgogne de Rancon
9. Hugh (VIII1/2) (He was at least effective ruler when Hugh VIII was on
crusade, and he died after Hugh VIII was last recorded alive on Crusade,
and the first record we have of VIII's having died, so it is not known if a.Hugh VIII1/2 accually survived his father to become Count, if only for a few weeks, or b.whether he knew it if he did.
10. Hugh IX m. Matilda of Angouleme and La Marche
11. Hugh X m. Isabelle of Angouleme
Painter argues that Ralph, called brother of Hugh IX, was son of the missing Hugh, and not of Hugh VIII, while Guy and Geoffrey, called sometimes uncles, sometimes brothers of Hugh IX were sons of Hugh VIII, and brothers of Hugh VIII1/2. Based on some chronological factors regarding the marriages of Ralph and Hugh IX, he concludes that Hugh X was son of an earlier marriage of Hugh IX, prior to his marriage to Matilda. I have not seen anyone else address these theses, so I never
know if a line like that in ES, above, for Ralph or one showing Matilda as mother of Hugh X is indicative of rejecting Painter, or ignorance of his work. (I personally think that the circumstances surrounding the marriages of Isabelle of Angouleme are so well documented, that a dispensation before her second marriage (to the son of her first cousin Matilda) would have been mentioned by contemporaries.)
1. Hugh_IX LUSIGNAN
2. Raoul de LUSIGNAN